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On the unrelated servers, inclusion of Direct Messages.

Recent events r/TeenGovernment u/Trickster-123 posted 2026-06-04 04:17 UTC ↑4 · 75% 12 comments
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***On the relation of differing servers, The Treatment of Direct Messages and the Treatment of Non-Related Areas, upon Teen Government.***



Privacy is no privilege; it is a boundary the Government must respect



A government, which possesses no limitation upon scope, is not just



To truly understand my end of the debate, I wish to present my contributions to the matter, and to begin with a basic summary on my experience with this topic.

On March 6th, I authored the first Separation of Unrelated Servers act, and on the Eighth of May, I authored the Separation of Unrelated Servers Amendment, both of which being the only governing legislation, of which, currently control and represent the treatment of relation within Teen Government.



These worked, these pieces of legislation worked because of it being reasonable and maintaining itself within proper grasps of Teen Government reach.

These were both written from one primordial free-one overarching threat-the concept of unjust or unfair punishment, the idea of someone in another server, of something entirely unrelated to this government, to be hurt, for them to worry about this Political Simulator whilst in other areas, to worry of every little word being used against them.

That idea, that threat, it, for lack of better words, disgusted me.



The prospect that led to the creation and existence of the Separation of Unrelated Servers being created.

I am more than concerned about the idea that the principles of my legislation are being reinterpreted in such a non-acceptable manner.

Hence, throughout the creation of the “The Constitution final boss™ edition”, I hold concern over one article above all else.

Whilst the idea, whilst the concept, holds ground, it has a fine reason, on paper…

In practice, the threat horrifies me.

Anything in relation to Teen Government? Truly? 

The purpose of a Government is not to govern everything of a citizen's life, its jurisdiction should not extend further than the server, and should not extend to the point of having this much authority over our lives.



The question is not if it should be used as evidence, the question is whether Teen Government should hold any authority over anything occurring outside of Teen Government, to have any say in non-Teen Government events



Consider the ordinary citizen.

Imagine a friend mockingly ridiculing or insulting another friend, do we consider that evidence of rule 1?

With this law, if I reached out to someone in the mentioning of someone's mental health breakdown, should I be sued under the 27th..

With this law, if I vented to a friend, in any hateful manner, as just about every vent is, should I be sued under rule 1?

If I say a joke, with a cruel punchline, in the confidence of trust with a friend, should I be sued under mental peace?

With this law, if I am breaking down and need someone to talk to, are you to use my issues as evidence because of relation to a political simulator?



Is this just in any which way or sort? Are we to see this as fine?

Sure, some may use DMs for coups, Anti Governmental planning, or even for harming of security, yet do we match that threat via the complete arming and destruction of the privacy we hold within DMs? Do we value the risk of malpractice within DMs above our memberships' privacy?

A competent Government holds itself up, a competent Government handles its affairs within proper means, a competent government relies on internal security, not on raiding my information or my privacy because of the threat of malpractice

If a Government cannot detect malpractice without invading privacy, then the issue is not with the citizens' messages, but with the Government's failure.



This utter misinterpretation of my law's intent is something I do not stand for.

Today, it may be used for venting, tomorrow against criticism, the next for even simply speaking of Teen Government, the good intent does not confine the law into a fair situation

Humans naturally speak of others in private, humans naturally speak or gossip in different manners when within the presence of someone they trust, humans naturally become more hateful or speak callously when they believe in the privacy of their situation.

  


Yet, this relies on emotional beliefs upon mental health, what of the facts.

65% of all human conversation concerns social matters, further studies find that nearly everyone engages in some form of gossip, whilst 3 quarters of it is neutral rather than malicious, the results state 34 of 467 individuals never gossip, granting the idea of it being more than a common occurrence.

  
  


Therefore, if social discussion, of any relation to Teen Government, is prosecutable, then prosecution is occurring upon normal human behavior.

  
  


[Psychology behind why people gossip ( Research study ) : ~r/cogsci~](https://www.reddit.com/r/cogsci/comments/13ep5tn/psychology_behind_why_people_gossip_research_study/?utm_source=chatgpt.com)  (from reddit, so take it with a grain of salt)



A 2024 study begins with

“People vent, as when airing grievances about one mutual friend to another”

[Venting makes people prefer—and preferentially support—us over those we vent about - ScienceDirect](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513824000849?utm_source=chatgpt.com) 



Venting has shown undeniable function within social relationships and social situations.



Neither gossip nor venting is rare, or in the minority of action, neither are small ideas, neither are small things, these are major ideas and major facets of human society.

Laws should target misconduct, they should not prevent venting, they should not prevent private conversations, and they should not limit me from even the most basic of in confidence conversations

  
  


A Government's authority has scope, a scope it must follow.

Teen Government governs Teen Government.

Teen Government does not govern Discord.

Teen Government does not govern friendships.

Teen Government does not govern private conversations.

Teen Government does not govern citizens' issues.

Teen Government does not govern every corner or any area, just because a citizen happened to be there.



Once jurisdiction extends past its scope, we will suffer.

Our scope dying is equal to our privacy dying.

  


The danger of this law is not merely the unjust punishments it creates, but the conversations it prevents.. The needed venting, the needed speech, the breakdowns, the information said in the confidence of trust, used to prosecute citizens, used to break citizens down, and used to ruin citizens further…

Don’t let this ruin our Government, don’t let this push their power further upon you, fight for you, fight for your privacy, fight for your freedom!

  
  


{PS: Whilst this is against the existence of prosecution on DMs of any which way or sort, the threat of sexual abuse, any abuse, or generally the violation of crimes within DMs, to a horribe extend, does exist.

In the case of this though, it is beyond Teen Government jurisdiction, report this to Discord, Reddit, or the body you speak with the individual on, relying on this pol sim is a dangerous situation, one we shouldn’t expect nor mandate, especially at the exchange of everyone's privacy.

Yet, either or, if an individual sexually abuses, or does any sort of malpractice towards you, make that clear to everyone, make people aware of the shit person that individual is, and allow the community to survive with the knowledge of such action}

  


**Tl;Dr:**

As the author of all unrelated legislation, as of now, the current prospect being held within the new Constitution is one I fundamentally disagree with.

I base this upon privacy, the risks associated with it (removing venting/gossiping, study proven facets of human speech and expression), and limiting the reach of Teen Governments jurisdiction.

The original purpose of the legislation for unrelated servers was just that, to limit such things, don’t allow DMs to extend it, do not allow this precedent.

  
  






**All relevant sources**

Article 1: DMs and screenshots of DMs can only be administered in court under the following circumstances:

* (a) The DMs are related to or commenting upon events which are taking place or have taken place within TeenGovernment and both participants of the conversation are TeenGovernment Citizens.
* (b) The DMs aim to sexually exploit or disturb mental peace.
* (c) The DM violates any provision in  §12
* (d) The DM is being governed by §10.5 Privacy protection

  


Subsection 5: Privacy protection

Article 1: This subsection applies where privacy is expected, this applies to, though not exclusively:  
(a) DMs  
(b) Private group chats not open to the public  
(c) Private threads

Article 2: The following shan't be allowed:  
(a) Copying text from one of the spaces outlined in article 1 of this section without consent of all members present in or implied within the text.  
(b) Taking a screenshot of one of the spaces outlined in article 1 of this section without consent of all members present in or implied within the screenshot.

Article 3: Exceptions to §10.5.2 are:  
(a) The screenshot, text, or media is clearly and unarguably for the purposes of joking or “memes” such as catching soon to be deleted horny messages, screenshotting odd or “funny” behavior, etc.  
(b) The screenshot, text, or other media contains incriminating evidence or evidence relating to a crime.  
(c) The screenshot, text, or other media simply contains already public imagery such as screenshotting a picture of a meme.  
(d) The screenshot, text, or other media is being captured of the council general GC, council voting GC, or council Discord server for the purposes of transparency.   
(e) All information shown in the screenshot is without a shadow of a doubt already public and would not reveal further information.

Article 4: It shall not be considered a violation of this section of the constitution to take non-consensual screenshots of messages in related servers to enter into trial. 



Used sources.

[Venting makes people prefer—and preferentially support—us over those we vent about - ScienceDirect](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513824000849?utm_source=chatgpt.com) 

[Psychology behind why people gossip ( Research study ) : ~r/cogsci~](https://www.reddit.com/r/cogsci/comments/13ep5tn/psychology_behind_why_people_gossip_research_study/?utm_source=chatgpt.com) 



General references.

[It helps us learn without making the same mistakes-Is Gossip Really That Bad? 5 Surprising Reasons Psychology Says It’s Actually Good for You](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/relationships/is-gossip-really-that-bad-5-surprising-reasons-psychology-says-its-actually-good-for-you/photostory/128976598.cms?utm_source=chatgpt.com&picid=128976652) 

\-Researchers have found that gossip isn’t just idle chatter. Instead, it is deeply wired into our social brains 

\-”if a friend tells you someone has a history of dishonesty, you adjust accordingly.”



\-”When people know their actions may be discussed, they tend to behave more cooperatively. Studies from UC Berkeley show gossip can reduce selfish behavior.”

\-”Talking through frustrating situations lowers stress hormones like cortisol.”

 Shows benefits of gossip (reasoning on why limiting it may be negative.)

Solidifying the idea of why limiting gossip could be detrimental, alongside unneeded, prosecution does not need to extend towards me gossiping of Teen Government related actions.



[Intrapersonal, interpersonal, and social outcomes of the social sharing of emotion - ScienceDirect](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X19301472?utm_source=chatgpt.com#abstracts) 

“Studies reviewed here suggest that it is time to move beyond the narrow vision of social sharing of emotions as a simple process of emotion regulation. The fact that every emotion leads the individual to turn to others and talk about it indicates that emotional experience raises both”

Solidification of the idea that these social situations are normal



  
Just for the sake of clarity, the legislation does seem beneficial, and the intent is more than positive. I personally agree with the idea, I do not with the invasion of privacy it requires to prosecute based on nothing but the loose terms of relation.

3 comments

Zeedith-  2026-06-04 04:23 UTC  ↑1
The new constitution actually extends protections over DMs. Current law is anything can be administered. Also it should never be the case that *nothing* from DMs is ever admissible, something like the privacy protection thing is a pillar and required right in someplace where breach of personal trust and values can be paramount.
Trickster-123  2026-06-04 04:28 UTC  ↑1  OP
1: I believe in no prosecution at all within it. The Constitution's expansion is not something I agree with, being far too minimal, but that's subjective 2: Why? The Privacy Protection has literally caused the entirety of this election to conclude in misery; we lost Breezy/Camel based on their being sued, both Gabriel and Penguin were sued based upon the law being loose, because of a criminals tempting. 3: The current law, as put in the Constitution, is not only to allow personal privacy. The main arguing point of this is the limitation of basic human expression alongside the limitation being far too harsh.
Zeedith-  2026-06-04 04:36 UTC  ↑1
1: The privacy protection clause in the constitution, not the PP act was what I was referring to. 2: Again, the constitution \*NARROWS\* what can be used for prosecution to only certain types of DMs, the current law allows prosecution based on ANY DMs whatsoever. 3: So what? It doesn't limit "basic human expression" it ensures people can be secure in their personal communications without the threat of them being "leaked" or shared without their consent. Consent isn't a problem, making it seem like the basic right of privacy isn't something that should exist. 4: Just overall why? The original act wasn't even "too broad" people just didn't understand it and correctly follow it. It in-of-itself was and still is (if poorly worded) a great law that ensures the privacy in private conversations. Like if I didn't have the basic right to privacy in DMs I'd just stop DM'ing and personally collaborating with people. I already have anxiety, I don't need more things to stress about whether people are chatting about information I didn't consent to being shared be gossiped about behind my back.
Trickster-123  2026-06-04 05:07 UTC  ↑1  OP
1: Apologies 2: And the current allows any association of any sorts, so utterly vague * (a) The DMs are related to or commenting upon events which are taking place or have taken place within TeenGovernment and both participants of the conversation are TeenGovernment Citizens. This could be so easily abused, it's too loose, too risky 3: It also ensures people can be prosecuted so unbelievably easily; the clear "this is allowed", it's too unbelievably loose. This law should be stricter; we should value this differently Who gives a shit about it being leaked? I'm concerned this would plainly allow prosecution based on DMs. Personally not concerned if my messages are taken, yet I don't suffer from anxiety, so I'm not the most fair representative here. But Am I to be sued because of talking of mental health? Am I to be sued for hating someone privately? My DMS are not a Teen Government space, you hold no say in my DMs, the moment TG assumes jurisdiction over my personal messages, TG is assuming too much power. 4: The original act structurally failed, so many have wanted to adjust it, we've been in a state of it being horrid and conflict over adjusting it If information you say in confidence is something you fear of being shared, that's an issue with friends, not with the laws And those personal issues should not be under Teen Government law, they should be under basic courtesy NDA's exist, ask em to sign those People can just not follow PP anyway; I could SS a message and say I didn't, the act existing won't control that, nor will the constitution invading trust so much improve this Upgrade the PP, do not allow such prosecution, remove the first clause in its entirety, * (a) The DMs are related to or commenting upon events which are taking place or have taken place within TeenGovernment and both participants of the conversation are TeenGovernment Citizens. Commenting on events period is concerning; it facilitates dangerous cases. I don't want to be sued because I complained about someone.
Zeedith-  2026-06-04 05:23 UTC  ↑1
> (a) The DMs are related to or commenting upon events which are taking place or have taken place within TeenGovernment and both participants of the conversation are TeenGovernment Citizens. The current constitution is an extremely early draft. It's nowhere near even a first revision and there's entire sections that are unfinished, this is not the final wording. > Am I to be sued because of talking of mental health? Am I to be sued for hating someone privately? > I don't want to be sued because I complained about someone. No, none of the provisions in the law (should) be prosecuting you for 'hating someone' it's only related to *events* not people. (e.g. the conversation is talking about an election or such). Other conversations aren't government by current nor the future version. Also that's not the main issue here, the main issue is privacy protection. > Who gives a shit about it being leaked? I'm concerned this would plainly allow prosecution based on DMs. Who doesn't? I think you're one of the only people (no offense) who I know who doesn't care about their own privacy and personal data. Almost everyone values their privacy and confidentiality when talking in DMs, that's the entire point of DMs. If you don't want a private conversation talk in #random or such. There's a clear separation between conversations that take place in the public and those that take place in DMs. > If information you say in confidence is something you fear of being shared, that's an issue with friends, not with the laws It is an issue with the law. Either way if it's a DM or any type of personal information form where you expect privacy you should have privacy. Same with mail in the US, it's a crime to open someone else's mail without consent. > And those personal issues should not be under Teen Government law, they should be under basic courtesy A basic expectation of privacy isn't "courtesy" it's something that everyone should expect no matter if they're courteous or not. > NDA's exist, ask em to sign those For one contract law is a complete mess to my understanding, to another it's yet again a BASIC understood right in most countries that information you mean to be private is private. It's not some 'case-by-case basis' thing. NDAs also enforce far more severe penalties of monetary fines and such usually instead of a short 3-7 day ban. Basic privacy isn't what NDAs are for. The entire point of a constitution is to enshrine basic rights like that that you've already agreed are "common courtesy" and expected into the law so it's universal no matter your class, intelligence, or foresight to have every since person you talk to sign an NDA, privacy in personal communications is a basic thing everyone should have, not just those who happen to thing of it and decide to make the person they're talking to sign an NDA. > People can just not follow PP anyway; I could SS a message and say I didn't, the act existing won't control that, nor will the constitution invading trust so much improve this Clear evidence can obviously prosecute if Privacy Protection was or not breached. If there's evidence it was distributed it's obvious. As for the simple act of taking a screenshot that's something i agree can't be directly regulated nor found out, unless that person chooses to distrinute those illegal screenshots in which case it would be a clear-cut case of a Privacy Protection breach.
Trickster-123  2026-06-04 14:29 UTC  ↑1  OP
>The current constitution is an extremely early draft. It's nowhere near even a first revision and there's entire sections that are unfinished, this is not the final wording. I am in no way capable of predicting the future, nor the final result. This writing is a warning on excessive nature, of which is more so for a general sense, not specifically the Constitution, yet using this line as the main focus. I am simply warning that loose terms upon privacy is dangerous, and far too much of an evident threat to permit. > No, none of the provisions in the law (should) be prosecuting you for 'hating someone' it's only related to *events* not people. (e.g. the conversation is talking about an election or such). Other conversations aren't government by current nor the future version. Also that's not the main issue here, the main issue is privacy protection. Article 1: DMs and screenshots of DMs can only be administered in court under the following circumstances: * (a) The DMs are related to or commenting upon events which are taking place or have taken place within TeenGovernment and both participants of the conversation are TeenGovernment Citizens. * (b) The DMs aim to sexually exploit or disturb mental peace. * (c) The DM violates any provision in  §12 * (d) The DM is being governed by §10.5 Privacy protection So, they can be admitted in court, as legal evidence, for relation as minimal as commenting upon events? What defines an event under this law? This constitution not defining it is too loose. The terms are too loose; do we define a public breakdown as an event? Do we define a struggle as an event? Right now, if I speak of someone having a breakdown, publicly in Teen Government, within DMs, with this law, I could be prosecuted under . * (a) The DMs are related to or commenting upon events which are taking place or have taken place within TeenGovernment and both participants of the conversation are TeenGovernment Citizens." and "Article I: Limitation of the person, in terms of mental health. 1.1: Henceforth, no individual may publicly speak about mental issues or disorders of another individual without fulfilling one or more of the following conditions. (a): Direct consent from the spoken of individual. (b): Done in specifically mental health-related servers/channels, and done with the person of the topic being present and aware. (c): Done to help or support an individual, (d): Allowed to talk about / tell someone how to get help / trying to talk them out of it if they publicly say they'll commit suicide. Or just generally when the person themselves brings it up as a subject without explicitly giving others consent to reply on the issue -Zeedith." Even acknowledging a friend's issues, or attempting to inform people of something occurring, for even a "be careful" could lead to prosecution, specifically under this article. The risk and threat of event being undefined is a horrid risk, one which cannot be ignored, a court may interpret is fairly, of course, and it may figure a fair outcome, yet it may not, the loose undefined terms may lead to mayhem, and the loose undefined terms may be detrimental. My concern primarily falls upon the threat of (a) allowing the admission of evidence in the case of it speaking of any event. The admitting being a dangerous threat, especially for such loose boundaries >Who doesn't? I think you're one of the only people (no offense) who I know who doesn't care about their own privacy and personal data. Almost everyone values their privacy and confidentiality when talking in DMs, that's the entire point of DMs. If you don't want a private conversation talk in #random or such. There's a clear separation between conversations that take place in the public and those that take place in DMs. Subjective, so won't go on this one, no offense taken. I just personally have very low walls on privacy and private situations. >It is an issue with the law. Either way if it's a DM or any type of personal information form where you expect privacy you should have privacy. Same with mail in the US, it's a crime to open someone else's mail without consent. Then make the law specifically for the PPA, the extension found in (a) "(a) The DMs are related to or commenting upon events which are taking place or have taken place within TeenGovernment and both participants of the conversation are TeenGovernment Citizens." Is excessive, unneeded, and frankly just dangerous. > A basic expectation of privacy isn't "courtesy" it's something that everyone should expect no matter if they're courteous or not. Basic courtesy was used as a manner of expressing more so a common sense of speech and action, should've stated so more clearly, and it does betray the intent of the line, apologies. It's something, morally, all should uphold for the basic privacy of one another > For one contract law is a complete mess to my understanding, to another it's yet again a BASIC understood right in most countries that information you mean to be private is private. It's not some 'case-by-case basis' thing. NDAs also enforce far more severe penalties of monetary fines and such usually instead of a short 3-7 day ban. Basic privacy isn't what NDAs are for. The entire point of a constitution is to enshrine basic rights like that that you've already agreed are "common courtesy" and expected into the law so it's universal no matter your class, intelligence, or foresight to have every since person you talk to sign an NDA, privacy in personal communications is a basic thing everyone should have, not just those who happen to thing of it and decide to make the person they're talking to sign an NDA. My mention of NDA's was more so for the pushing of other means of privacy, and other ways to ensure it, in the case we cannot rely on common sense / "courtesy" to ensure proper doings. It would be ideal if we could rely on individuals caring enough of one another not to reveal any information, in the slightest,, yet unfortunately has failed. That segment was there to represent the idea that, whilst the PPA is a possibility, and maintaining it is doable, there are other means, others that succeed, and in the case of needed privacy, there are other things to resort to, not the broad risky example we see within (a). >Clear evidence can obviously prosecute if Privacy Protection was or not breached. If there's evidence it was distributed it's obvious. As for the simple act of taking a screenshot that's something i agree can't be directly regulated nor found out, unless that person chooses to distrinute those illegal screenshots in which case it would be a clear-cut case of a Privacy Protection breach. Agree with this, yes, it's near impossible to prove a breach, and prosecution based on it is near impossible, being more than difficult. Unrelated to the rest, apologies for the unclear, rushed, and informal language of the previous, seems to of betrayed the intent of my wording. Alongside, the document is more so a "I believe prosecution on DMs is risky and dangerous to privacy in the future, the rights should be more protected, to value the individual's privacy above all else, with exceptions outlined narrowly and carefully". Also apologies for the late reply.
NotHim1305  2026-06-04 05:12 UTC  ↑2
This was very well-written and well-thought out. I’ve read it once but I’ll definitely read it again time or two again. But overall I couldn’t agree more with the message, the government has no place in the privacy of us, the citizens
Trickster-123  2026-06-04 14:16 UTC  ↑1  OP
tysm
Kooky_Marketing_327  2026-06-04 07:41 UTC  ↑2
Why did bro drop a whole research paper n shit lmao. love it tho wonder what bill this is based off of 🤔 
Trickster-123  2026-06-04 13:32 UTC  ↑1  OP
Uhh, one sentence in the revised constitution  Uhh, now Prlly more of a just speaking about against the main idea of allowing prosecution on DMs
Zeedith-  2026-06-04 19:20 UTC  ↑2
What sentence does it use from the revised constitution? I though it was using lines from the constitution final boss edition.
Trickster-123  2026-06-04 19:26 UTC  ↑1  OP
Oh, mb, specified the wrong version, ty for the correction
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