Equity

Proposition for Council r/TeenGovernment u/[deleted] posted 2025-12-31 23:47 UTC ↑6 · 80% 23 comments

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GAAABE77 2025-12-31 23:49 UTC ↑2

Has the bill I talked about been seen by council?

roemaencepartnaer 2025-12-31 23:50 UTC ↑3

Your party bill is currently being discussed, but please be patient with us, as the sub has been rather active, even though it is technically a holiday.

GAAABE77 2025-12-31 23:55 UTC ↑2

Mb I was just wondering

Kooky_Marketing_327 2025-12-31 23:55 UTC ↑1

how about my bill?

roemaencepartnaer 2026-01-01 00:01 UTC ↑2

I don’t know that I’m allowed to state the result before it is anounced.

Kooky_Marketing_327 2026-01-01 00:02 UTC ↑2

lmao I saw the deleted not passed. by how much did it lose by did everyone hate it lmao

roemaencepartnaer 2026-01-01 00:06 UTC ↑1

Again, I really don’t know that I was supposed to say that much, so I’m going to refrain from further discussion. You’ve got my apologies, and once I figure that out I’ll come back and tell you, if you still want to know. Again, sorry.

Kooky_Marketing_327 2026-01-01 00:07 UTC ↑1

ok thanks

Kooky_Marketing_327 2025-12-31 23:49 UTC ↑2

yeah I guess this makes sense kinda

British_QuestionMark 2025-12-31 23:56 UTC ↑2

Agreed 100%  
but **GET "6 7" OUT OF YOUR FUCKING FLAIR D:&lt;**

roemaencepartnaer 2026-01-01 00:02 UTC ↑2

No, I will NOT be participating in the great meme reset. 

British_QuestionMark 2026-01-01 00:27 UTC ↑2

💔

Bob-The15th 2026-01-01 00:10 UTC ↑1 ✎ edited 2026-01-01 00:16 UTC

not joe me here (doing a new years thing but this is important)

I disagree, a regular civilian does not get to vote whether they proposed it or not. People are elected to council to vote, it'd be pointless to make them unable to, it would also disincentivize cooperation as the more council members who write a proposition together the less likely it is to pass. And council members are elected to have legislative power, which a civilian has not, the reason that council members can vote on their own is that they are in council, whoever proposed it is irrelevant. And this could be easily circumvented as when someone knows the vote will be close they can have a civilian submit it for them.

roemaencepartnaer 2026-01-01 00:19 UTC ↑1

It’s a conflict of interest in that you’re biased. Council members are voted into legislative power, but it gives them an advantage that other propositions wouldn’t have. Obviously if you wrote the proposition, you agree with it, but other propositions don’t have someone in the council waiting for them. It’s not about a misuse of this power, but rather equality. Every proposition should have the same chance, it’s got to win over the people who didn’t write it. Even if it’s easily circumvented, I think it’s still a good practice to have in place. You’re free to disagree though, doesn’t really impact you if it passes.

Bob-The15th 2026-01-01 00:24 UTC ↑1

I may be the future, and a concern I have is that a vote could become a 4 out of 6 requirement, which makes things extremely difficult to pass.

roemaencepartnaer 2026-01-01 00:33 UTC ↑1

Speaking from my experience, a vote of 4/6 isn’t nearly as difficult as you think it is. When Due_Job was impeached we operated as a unit of 6, and props still passed at nearly the same frequency.

Bob-The15th 2026-01-01 00:38 UTC ↑1

That very well could change depending on how future elections go on more divisive issues. And a 4/6 requirement creates an inequality between council bills and civilian bills, it is my belief a council member will items for whatever proposals they agree with, and they will only write proposals they agree with. Meaning that they have the same likelyhood to be voted for If the council member agrees. Unless I misunderstand something of course.

Bob-The15th 2026-01-01 00:28 UTC ↑1

Also could you elaborate on your point of equality? As everyone has bias, a bias is a belief, which is why people are elected. I don't think making it harder to pass bills from council but easier for civilians is equality.

roemaencepartnaer 2026-01-01 00:44 UTC ↑1

If this proposition doesn’t pass, Council members have an easier time passing propositions than civilians. Automatically, off posting it, yk you’ve got 1/7 of the vote. Any other civilian posting a proposal has 0/7 of the vote. I think it’s *more* fair that both start at zero, even if that requires a higher percentage of the vote, rather than council members being able to vote on their own props. Especially because it would really only need to earn three votes compared to the regular four. This is the closest it can get to level ground from my perspective.

Bob-The15th 2026-01-01 00:51 UTC ↑1

I think of things like this. A proposition is proposed, it automatically gets the support of everyone firmly supportive of it, and people on the fence can be pulled in. Meaning that if a civilian proposes something a council member already agrees with they effectively have those votes, if 4 people in council disagree it cannot pass. With this a council proposition ust have more support that a civilian one to pass.

roemaencepartnaer 2026-01-01 01:02 UTC ↑1

I’m going to be frank with you, I don’t really understand what you’re saying here, and I don’t want you to elaborate. If the bill passes, and you are still vehemently against it, just make a petition. Like, I think this is a good policy to have in place, you don’t. It’s New Years, let’s not spend it in a pointless debate on a bill that hasn’t even been voted on yet. 

Bob-The15th 2026-01-01 01:08 UTC ↑1

I seem to have been poorly worded and quite jumbled up, what I meant is that I believe that any bill proposed by a citizen is only statistically less likely to pass as some are unanimously opposed. Happy new years.

Different_Car_5558 2026-01-01 09:22 UTC ↑1

I disagree people never get to vote even if you didn't make it also wouldn't party's just use other members who arent in council

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